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Is Obama a "Natural" U.S. Citizen under the U.S. Constitution?

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Is Barack Obama a "natural citizen" in light of Hawaii Controversy about legitimacy of having been made a State in 1959?

  • YES
    74%
  • NO
    26%

Total Votes: 19

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Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Two years after Hawaii was "made a state". The compelling question now is, Is Hawaii actually a state? There is a movement in Hawaii that claims that the U.S. illegally colonized and then instated a "sovereign nation",in derogation of it's treaties and UN resolutions. Hawaii Nation, a legitimate organization that is seeking to prove that Hawaii is not really a state. If this is a fact,Obama is not constitutionally "eligible" to be President of the U.S. nor is anyone else "born in Hawaii". Article II,Sec.1[5] of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No person...except a natural born citizen...shall be eligible for the office of President...". In the event Hawaii is found,through legal process,that Hawaii Nation is correct in their assessment that "Hawaii is a sovereign nation",Obama in the event that he is elected,will have to resign as President. We must answer these questions now,before the election in November.

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{"commentId":3429605,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

They asked the same question of Mc Cain,because he was born in Panama. Now "we the people" must give serious thought to this controversy regarding Obama's birthplace.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":3440844,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

See US Public Law 103-150 signed by William Clinton,President of the United States in 1993. A Law commonly known as "the apology" for the US for Having forcefully taken over the previous sovereign nation of Hawaii in 1893, (100 years earlier). Prior to Clinton, Grover Cleveland,President of the United States acknowledged that the takeover had been "an attack on a sovereign nation". There is currently an ongoing effort to restore Hawaii to a sovereign nation status. Obama should not be allowed to run or be elected in light of this current controversy.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":3456699,"authorDomain":"chasing"}

"Previous" being the operative word.  Everyone knows Hawaii is, at present, a part of the United States.  The movement for independence isn't going to amount to anything anytime soon (if ever), and even if it did that wouldn't grandfather Obama <em>out</em> of compliance with the law.  It just doesn't work that way.

You realize there's a movement - and has been for years - for Texas to leave the union?  Does that mean Bush shouldn't have been President.

Using the words "current controversy" is, I'm sorry, a transparent attempt to turn something into what it isn't.  This isn't a controversy, current or otherwise, that Obama meets the qualifications.

Moreover, if you think that the US grants citizenship solely on the basis of place of birth, you're showing a profound ignorance as to how it truly is granted.  On any measure, Obama qualifies.

PS - you're only about the billionth person to bring up this nonsense.  Not sure why we keep bothering to reply.  Do some research on your own and stop regurgitating meaningless talking points and faulty mass-forwarded emails.  It's unbecoming a Newsviner.  Seriously.

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  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":3466490,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

Chassing, Hawaii was never legally a territory. It was taken over in 1893 against the will of the people of the Sovereign Nation of Hawaii,which at the time was recognized by the world as such,as well as the US. Everyone does not "Know[s]" that "Hawaii is...part of the US",because it really isn't.  In any event,the law in Hawaii in 1959 stated that both parents had to be US Citizens for a child to be considered an American. That was not the case for Obama. Furthermore, "Both Parents" had other requirements that had to be met. Since Obama's father was not a citizen either is Obama a "natural born" american. Texas is not the subject of my article. Hawaii is. Obama's eligibility has been placed in dispute by me. That constitutes a controversy. Hawaiian Nation claims constitute a controversy. Your comment that the US Grants Citizenship other than "place of birth" is not germaine to this discussion. The constitutions states that any not naturally born citizen is ineligible for both the office of President and Senator.

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  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
{"commentId":3467095,"authorDomain":"Lemmywinks"}

If Hawaii isn't a state then why do they have two US Senators and a handful of Representatives in the US Congress?  Aren't they agents of a foreign government by your logic?

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  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":3467197,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

Hawaii was illegally acquired. If the wrong is reversed,the "US Senators and a handful of Representatives in the US Congress" must vacate their respective offices,including Obama,whom it is claimed is not "natural born" for several reasons. The authority for their offices and eligibility respectively, is in dispute.

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  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":3467452,"authorDomain":"Lemmywinks"}

Much of the US was illegally acquired.  Maybe we should give the Native Americans back their land and remove the elected officials from those areas from our government as well.

This is another red herring dished up by the desperate right wing.  It's a stunt and it won't work.  You should spend your time on meaningful tasks.  There's a lot a well-intentioned person such as yourself could be doing for our country.  Protecting us from a dangerous Hawaiian is a waste of your valuable time.

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  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":3467762,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

Lem, Let me decide for myself what "is a waste of" my "valuable time". The indian issue is for another discussion,but they have legitimate concens too. This is no "stunt". Hawaii Nation has a cause of Action. Mc Cain's birthplace of Panama,used to be a territory of the US that is no longer. We gave it back. We gave our Phillipine bases back. We gave Cuba back. What's the next move for this nation that "illegally acquire[s]" land. Annexing Iraq?

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  • 1 vote
#2.6 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":3467880,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

The circumstances under which Hawaii became a so called "State" are in dispute. Next year is the 50th anniversary of that questionable vote for Statehood. Not too late to correct a wrong. In any event,lets have a second vote. One that includes all the people of Hawaii,natives included and not just american soldiers as it was done in 1959. Also include a ballot that contains the option for independence. They might surprise us and vote to remain in the Union. And,we will have shown a good faith effort to reconcile this injustice.

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  • 1 vote
#2.7 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":3546008,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

Lem,(#2.5), The US Supreme Court is currently reveiwing a hawaiian "Cessions" issue. Twenty Nine states that have Native American Lands have filed Amicus Curiae briefs in the case.  These are "friends of the court" briefs. If this case is decided in favor of Hawaii Nation,the American Indians will have a precedent to use to have their lands restored to them.

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  • 1 vote
#2.8 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:28 AM EDT
{"commentId":6157519,"authorDomain":"king-of-messico"}

So, if Mexico wanted to ask for Colorado, California, Nevada, Arizona, and all the other states that were ceded after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which was the result of the Mexican American war which started because of the annexation of Texas..... Ok, What were we talking about? Oh yeah, it's not gonna happen!!!

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    #2.9 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6556011,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

    Whether it "happens" or not that Hawaii be re-nationalized is not up to me. It is in the courts and is not "frivolous". The ball is in the Court's "court". No pun intended!

    Over two dozen other "states" do have an active interest in the outcome of the case because their lands will be affected by native american claims to it as well as international claims on the lands of the US.

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    • 1 vote
    #2.10 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:46 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":3456071,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Robert:

    Is Obama a "Natural" U.S. Citizen under the U.S. Constitution?

    Yes

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    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3466741,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

    There were requirements of residency as a citizen of the US if one parent was not American that had to be met at the time Obama was born that were not met. Until 1986 any person born in Hawaii had to have both parents as american citizens. If only one was a citizen they had to be US Citizens with at least (10) years as a US resident, Five of them had to be after the age of (16). Obama's father was not a citizen at all,and he went to Indonesia. His Mother gave birth to Barack,II at the age of (18) she did NOT meet the legal requirement of residency in order to make Obama a "natural born" citizen (5 years after the age of 16). She had only (2) .These facts will have an effect on the prospects for Arnold Swartznegger to run. If Obama is allowed to keep his Senate seat and to be elected President,than Arnold must be given the same consideration.

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      #3.1 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3594715,"authorDomain":"doublespambox"}

      Obama Is a Natural Born US citizen, regarless of place of birth, because his parent's marriage was invalid.

      The article seems imply that Obama would be ineligble for the presidency even if he was born in Hawaii. If he was born in U.S. territory to one parent of US citizenship he is automatically considered a natural born citizen by jus soli and jus sanguinis. Even if he was born abroad he would still be a citizen as I will explain.
      Unfortunatly Findlaw.com is not the source of US law. In its translation from legalese, the quoute does not mention a very important condition that applies to Obama. The U.S. citizen parent, and the foreign parent Must be married. The actual law pertaining to this issue can be found here:



      From the document:
      a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in
      1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been
      physically present in the United States for ten years, including five
      after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born
      children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect
      from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13,
      1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.

      The problem comes down to the validity of Obama's parent's marriage. When he was 18 Barack Obama Sr. Married a woman named Kezia and had Four children with her. Two of them after returned to Kenya from the United States. He never divorced her her.In the US polygamy is illegal. If you are already married, regardless of where you got married, all subsequent marriages are invalid. This is the case with the marriage of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. in February 1961. Obama was born out of wedlock. As a child born out of wedlock a different law is applied if he was born outside the United States.

      From the same document linked to above:

      7 FAM 1133.4-3 Birth Out of Wedlock to American Mother
      (TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
      a. Claims Under Section 309(c) INA: A child born abroad out of wedlock
      or after December 24, 1952, to a U.S. citizen mother acquires U.S.
      citizenship if the mother was physically present continuously for 1
      year
      the United States or its outlying possessions at any time prior to the
      child's birth. This did not change under any of the amendments to
      Section 309 INA. Thus a woman who had spent only a very short time
      every year outside the United States would be unable to transmit
      citizenship under section 309(c) INA even though she might have
      qualified to transmit U.S. citizenship under section 301(g) INA if she
      had
      been married to the father of the child. The 1966 amendment to section
      301 INA allowing members of the U.S. armed forces, employees of the
      U.S. Government and certain international organizations, and their
      dependents to count certain periods outside the United States as U.S.
      physical presence does not apply to section 309(c) INA. For this
      reason,
      the mother of a child born out of wedlock cannot use time spent abroad
      as a military dependent, for example, to satisfy all or part of the
      requirement of continuous physical presence in the United States for 1
      year. Subsequent legitimation or the establishment of a legal
      relationship
      between an alien father and a person who acquired U.S. citizenship at
      birth under section 309(c) does not alter that person's citizenship.


      There is no doubt that Stanley Ann Dunham spent more than one continous year inside the united states. Her citizenship was automatically transmited to Obama Upon his birth. He could have been born in Kenya, or in Russia, or on the Moon. It would not matter.

      Now you might say that Obama is a citizen, but not a "Natural Born Citizen" as required by the U.S. Constitution. The use of Natural born citizen does not just apply to jus soli, it applies to jus sanguinis as well.
      Do you understand why? What if a woman goes on a trip to Kenya, Russia or the Moon while she's 7 months pregnant? She doesn't plan to give birth outside of the US but nature doesnt follow everyones schedules. She's back in the US two days later with the baby.
      A similar situation occured with Mitt Romney's dead father. George Romney was born in Mexico in 1907. He did not move to the United States until his family fled from the Mexican revolution in 1910. Yet in 1968 George Romney ran for president. There's precedence here. George Romney was eligible to run because he inherited his citizenship through jus sanguinis.
      It works in a similar fashion for John McCain. John McCain was born at Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone. But if a panamanian mother had given birth in the room next door on the same day, that child would not be a U.S. Citizen.
      Current State Department policy reads:
      "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."
      Do you get it? John McCain is a citizen not because he was born on a Military Base, but because his parents were American. Jus Sanguinis. if Obama was born overseas it would be the same for him.

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        #3.2 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
        {"commentId":3598913,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

        Obama,Sr. and Durham were not legally divorced. Obama,Sr was the polygamist not Durham. One parent,Durham was american. She had a 10 year citizenship requirement that she did not meet 10 years with 5 of them after age 16. Durham was only 18 when Obama was born. "Jus soli" is not conferred on a baby born to only one american parent. Jus sanguinis is and only if the legal requirements are met. Citizenship by "Jus sanguinis" is not enough to confer eligibility to enter the office of President or vice president or Senator, for that matter. Hawaii,it is disputed,is neither a bona-fide territory or a State. It is arguably,a foreign nation. It has been alledged that Obama was,indeed,"born in Kenya". However,for the  sake of this instant case I will not go into that. In any event being born in Kenya,as in your example Obama would only rise to the level of a Statutory "Jus sanguinis" citizen since Kenya is NOT US soil. "Jus soli" does involve being "natural born". It is latin for born on the soil. In Romney's case I would argue that he doesn't meet "Jus soli" requirements either. Jus Sanguinis is NOT the same as Jus soli,the requirement eligibility for President,Vice-President AND Senator. McCain's citizenship was conferred by law.. Mccain had (2) american parents and Panama canal was an american territory. Panama Canal was a territory,the "military base" was within the confines of the territory. McCain is  Jus soli  and jus sanguinis. Obama is not. With regard to McCain, being born on a base in Panama canal zone is the same as if he was born in Fort Dix, a base within the confines of New Jersy, a bona-fide State of this union.

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        • 1 vote
        #3.3 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
        {"commentId":6556008,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

        jfx, Obama is absolutely NOT a natural born citizen under the US Constitution!

        {"commentId":6556008,"threadId":"385569","contentId":"1983972","authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}
          #3.4 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:43 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":3457111,"authorDomain":"snotrag-dave"}

          Senator John McCain was born August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone in Panama... during the time in which the Canal Zone was under the control of the federal government of the United States.  Because of this, he is a natural born citizen of the United States.

          Senator Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, which became the 50th state on August 21, 1959.  He is a natural born citizen of the United States.

          Got it???

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          • 4 votes
          Reply#4 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3457806,"authorDomain":"chasing"}

          Got it???

          Unfortunately, my guess is going to be no...  When will these stupid and baseless rumors end?  Seriously?  It was old months ago.  It's old now.  Didn't gain traction then.  Won't gain traction now. 

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          • 5 votes
          #4.1 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3466809,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

          Mc Cain  is fine. Obama has some problems. His status as a "natural born" american is in dispute. See previous statements. Statement 3.1 contains collaborative research I received just today. Do you and Chasing get it? These facts have legs people and they are wearing traction boots.

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          • 1 vote
          #4.2 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":3464085,"authorDomain":"philculliton"}

          I believe as it stands at this time, Obama is a U.S. citizen, being that Hawaii is at this time a state.

          {"commentId":3464085,"threadId":"385569","contentId":"1983972","authorDomain":"philculliton"}
            Reply#5 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3466887,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

            Thunder1,Since Hawaii was never even a legally obtained territory,it was illegally in the US  "protectorate" before the Statehood vote. A tree doesn't grow if it hasn't been planted.

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            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":3494849,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

            Update,The Hawaiian Supreme court has ruled that "The apology"signed by William Clinton,Public Law 103-150, has the force of Law. The US Supreme Court has granted Writ of Certiorari for the Hawaiian land cession case. Closer we come to having to give Hawaii back to the Sovereign Nation of Hawaii.

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3603289,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

            On September 7,2008 the Washington Times quoted Obama from an interview he had on "this week" with George Stephanopolis, in which Obama referred to his (Obama's) "Muslim faith".

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:38 AM EDT
            {"commentId":4128987,"authorDomain":"yoiibango"}

            Laws are formed to establish order.  The further a case goes to the fringes of law the more order is in danger.  Courts can try and change or force change on the public  (California) but an informed public can often assert their collective will to bring law and order back to the place they are comfortable (Inside the constitution).  Obama and Hawaii are on the fringe literally.  Learn the truth and live in the bounds set to be safe.  Ignorance and doing nothing allow oder and truth to be overthrown and trampled by evil forces. God bless the righteous to do what is right.

              Hawaii is a sovereign nation occupied by a foreign powerful nation, against the will of its people and against the will of God.(Isaiah 49:24-26).  "The Lord shall set his hand ... to recover the remnant... from the islands of the sea". (Isaiah 11:11, Genesis 49;22-26) The remnant are hidden from the world but not from the Lord. (John 10:14-15) Hawaii is a sacred place with a sacred people , a sacred history and a glorious future in the hand of God. (Revelation 12:6,14-17, 10:15, 22;11-14, Isaiah 55:5-13) There is no man or pwer on the earth that can stop the will of God from rolling forth and the kingdom of God shall reign on the earth and in Heaven!(Daniel2;44-47) Hear the Lords prayer. It is the will of God!!!!

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              Reply#8 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:33 PM EST
              {"commentId":4164427,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

              Mahalo! Hawaii is still a sovereign nation illegally occupied by the US.There are currently (29) states that have Indian land concerns that have Joined the "State of Hawaii" against the Hawaiian Nation. They would have to give native american lands back if Hawaian nationals win in SCOTUS

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              • 1 vote
              #8.1 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:05 AM EST
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              {"commentId":6052086,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}
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              • 1 vote
              Reply#9 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:02 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6052100,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}
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              • 1 vote
              Reply#10 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:09 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6157958,"authorDomain":"king-of-messico"}

              Okay, this is from November of last year. It's almost April and we haven't seen anything. How long does it take to release these papers? LOL

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                #10.1 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6556040,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

                FBI Infragard and Army Times warn of "Crescendo of complaints against Obama's ineligibility to be POTUS:

                http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223679/posts

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                  #10.2 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:00 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":6052144,"authorDomain":"coloradobubbie"}

                  i believe him to be a citizen. so my answer is yes.

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                    Reply#11 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:24 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":6142319,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}
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                    • 1 vote
                    #11.1 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:51 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6532737,"authorDomain":"candid"}

                    Please, stop, because seeing this happen breaks my heart.

                    Consiracy theories represent a known glitch in Human reasoning. The theories are of course occasionally true, but their truth is completely uncorrelated with the believer's certainty. For some reason, sometimes when people think they've uncovered a lie, they raise confrimation bias to an art form. They cut context away from facts and arguments and assemble them into reassuring litanies. And over and over I've argued helplessly with smart people consumed by theories they were sure were irrefutable, theories that in the end proved complete fictions.

                    Young-earth creationists, the moon landing people, the perpetual motion subculture -- can't you see you're falling into the same pattern?

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                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#12 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:37 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6556055,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

                    I smell a rat and methinks he's in the Whitehouse!

                    What does Creationism got to do with Conspiracy theory? Tried to throw that one in,did you?
                    Closed minds never solve anything!

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                    • 1 vote
                    #12.1 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:03 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":6565742,"authorDomain":"candid"}

                    Consiracy theories represent a known glitch in Human reasoning.

                    I smell a rat and methinks he's in the Whitehouse!

                    What does Creationism got to do with Conspiracy theory? Tried to throw that one in,did you?
                    Closed minds never solve anything

                    . . . . . .

                    *puts hands together*

                    Dear God? Are you there?

                    *Yes my child?*

                    ...I would like to file a bug report.

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                    • 1 vote
                    #12.2 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:00 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":6802987,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

                    And the roaches are in the White House (soon to be the house of Islam):

                    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10498

                    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223679/posts

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                      #12.3 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
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                      {"commentId":9528838,"authorDomain":"admin86"}

                      People of The USA-& world--MR. Obama--Is not even a Citizen of the USA--There is Proof-That has been subdued in the Us--Mr. OBAMA-was Born in Kenya--1961--In Kenya National Hospital=He should not be In Washington-He is there Illeglely==Very much so!!All the Demacrats have made sure very -very few people know this--All anyone has to do to prove this is email the Kenya National-Community Hospital!!Or the Kenyan Government!!

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                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#13 - Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":9543915,"authorDomain":"RobertLaity"}

                      Pelosi is on the Hot seat regarding CertifiGate:
                      http://americangrandjury.org/
                      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109363

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                      #13.1 - Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:49 AM EDT
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                      Today is Constitution day. The 222nd anniversary of the signing of the US Constitution. Do something patriotic today. It is also the 22nd anniversary of the founding,during the Bi-centennial of the US Constitutionb,of the Society for the Preservation of Democracy and Human Rights.

                      Robert Laity,Founder and President
                      Society for the Preservation of Democracy and Human Rights

                      I am now of the mind that Obama was actually born in Mombasa,Kenya!
                      http://americangrandjury.org/

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                        Reply#14 - Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:56 AM EDT
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